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I just finished reading this rant. Here are a few excerpts:

"Here we go… I am soooooo friggin' sick of gay characters being shoved into my comic books I could scream."

"What started this rant? The Young Avengers trade. What did it do, you ask? Well, I finally got around to reading it, and it was wonderful. It was full of Avengers, Avenger wanna be's, time travel and Kang acting particularly nasty. It was great. UNTIL the last two pages when the writer slips in the fact that two of the characters are dating each other! WHAT? Why do I care? The second trade deals with a "coming out party." As with all comics, there are some pointless scenes but this is ridiculous. AND, this was on top of the Moon Knight trade where Frenchie is suddenly gay after 20 years of being straight. Let's add this to rumors of Nightwing being gay, a gay Batwoman, the new Question being gay… I'M SICK OF IT! "

"And, to make matters worse, it's being ret-con into all sorts of books. Frenchie wasn't gay in Moon Knight when I read about him in 1980! "

"Since I'm ranting anyway, when did it become a requirement that every superhero team have a gay character? When did it become a requirement that every book have a gay character?"

"Why is it in my face??????"

He has a partial point on the retcons. While I agree that retconning a long established straight character into a gay one can be an annoying hack move at times, doing the same thing with a long established character with a less established sexual history can work. Take Robinson's STARMAN series. Making Ted Knight or Will Payton gay wouldn't have worked because they were already solidly established heterosexuals. Making Jack Knight gay early on would have been an acceptable move because he was a new character; doing so after his relationship with Sadie would have been less so. Doing so with Mikaal Tomas worked perfectly.

As for the rest of his rant, I've only got three words to say, courtesy of CGI Livia Soprano:

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At 3:06 AM , Blogger Ami Angelwings said...

Question and Batwoman aren't "retcons" tho. It's not like they made Vic Sage gay. >_> And this is a NEW incarnation of Batwoman, it's not the 60s Batwoman. xD It's the same as ultimate fury being black. I wonder if he has issues with OMG BLACK PPL ARE BEING SHOVED DOWN MY THROAT too.

It's sad that merely "existing" is being equated with us "shoving" ourselves down his throat. :(

At 5:23 PM , Blogger notintheface said...

Ami, neither I nor, apparently, this Lee guy referred to Renee or New Batwoman being gay as "retcons".

New Batwoman = New character who was gay from the start, even if revealed to be so gradually = NOT a retcon. (Equivalents: Josiah Power, Apollo & Midnighter).

Renee Montoya = Medium-longtime character whose sexual history, as far as I know, was fleshed out little, if at all, prior to Rucka's "outing" story = NOT a retcon. (Equivalents: Obsidian, Pied Piper).

Making Dick Grayson or Roy Harper or Clark Kent or Bruce Wayne gay - THAT would be a retcon. Apparently this Frenchie from Moon Knight also qualified according to Lee.

Ami, I agree with your last sentence entirely. Having a few gay characters in the comics you read "inflicted" on you isn't even a drop in the bucket compared to the crap gay and lesbian people no doubt have to put up with on a regular basis. Dealing with gay-bashing, prejudice, homophobic jerks, not being able to marry the person you love, etc. can't be a picnic for them. But they have to deal with it every day just by virtue of existing. And that, Ami, is why you or I don't exactly start playing violin solos when somebody complains about having to deal with their "existence".

Hence the inspiration for bringing in CGI Livia Soprano. (She may become a recurring character.)

At 9:01 PM , Blogger Ami Angelwings said...

I know that you didn't. But he wrote it confusingly to me, where he was complaining that Renee and Batwoman were gay and being "shoved down his throat" then talked about how he doesn't have a problem with new gay chars but has a problem with retcons.

It was very muddled and since he was raging at the beginning about Renee and Batwoman, and then claiming that he wouldn't rage against "new gay characters", then it stood in my mind that he was implying that they were either retcons or "tarnishing" an established name. :\

But that's how I read it. xDD He jumped around a lot about what he believed and what he didn't trying to be clear he wasn't homophobic while being homophobic xD

At 9:04 PM , Blogger Ami Angelwings said...

I know NITF :( There's a lot of crap out there with ppl who just hate you just for you being you. As a GLBT person, I get it.. I just got it today actually from passersby. :\

But lots of ppl have it way worse. And it's just... some ppl like I suppose Lee, is so used to living in his own peaceful undisturbed hetero world where everybody is like him, that when other ppl who aren't like him just EXIST, he considers it shoving down his throat b/c he didn't ask for them to invade HIS reality, which naturally is.. just.. reality. But it's HIS, cuz he's privileged and hetero and expects the whole world to be a hetero safe space for him :\

At 4:33 AM , Blogger notintheface said...

Call me unobservant, Ami, but I didn't realize you were GLBT before (I'm figuring "B"), since you vent a lot about guys on your blog. Not a big deal, but I'm just surprised at myself that I somehow missed that.

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